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Posted:  12/12/2012 8:34 AM #35539
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Subject: Prepping for Government Collapse
(SHTFBlog) I’ve been catching up on my druid-dude lately.  He had a fantastic set of pieces detailing a scenario where the US government completely dissolved. Its got my brain thinking.  Of course, being me, I’m thinking, “How do I prep for Government Collapse?" Easy stuff first, are there any documents I should make sure to have originals or copies of? If a government collapses, one of the local realities of that is the physical people actually staffing the county courthouses and such where paperwork like titles, deeds, property histories are stored might not show up for work.  Sure, it’s a bit of trouble to go and get copies of some of the important things, but it’ll be a lot more trouble if the people working there stop getting paid.

Speaking of people, cops and firemen are usually paid government employees. You can probably add increased response time or possibly no response at all to your realities to prepare for.  Get a few more fire extinguishers. Those little $10 Walmart specials are only good for a few seconds of fire suppressing spray. Get your personal protection sorted. I’m not just talking guns here either, a neighborhood actually working as a unit can be a great deterrent for most kinds of trouble.

Road maintenance will fall back on towns or individuals. Military/National Guard, could be iffy on if they survive, or if parts would survive, and if they could still be a force to be counted on. Hurricane cleanups sure do benefit from a National Guard that is receiving regular paychecks from a steady chain of command.

Moving on, and building off the military thoughts above, a government collapse could entail military action, whether it’s a home grown coup d’etat or Mounties from Canada charging Minnesota, periods of destability will always find people willing to try for power grabs. Is there anyway to really prepare for something like that? War tends to be it’s own kind of chaos, mocking any attempt at prophesying. A years worth of food would be a nice buffer, but most military conflicts take much longer than that to resolve. Mental and physical toughness would be your best bet. All the gear or grub in the world won’t do you much good if you can’t handle the first winter on reduced rations.

Government collapse always makes me think of Dimitri Orlov, and his recent writings on anarchy play into this theme as well. The government collapses and leaves holes in the organizational structure, so people make their own solutions work. Sometimes those solutions are pleasant and helpful to the people around them, other times, not so much. You should be prepared to implement your own solutions, but pay attention to what other people around you are implementing as well.

Anyway, I’m mostly just thinking aloud here. What do y’all think? Anything to prep specifically for the possibility of government collapse?

- Calamity Jane



Posted:  12/12/2012 10:39 AM #35552
mtnboomer


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I don't think anyone that doesn't possess anything less than Masters degrees in sociology and government really have any idea what would happen if our government collapses. Oh sure, we can look back at the fall of other governments throughout history, but they only tell a fraction of the story - again, you need to be educated in these matters to see the whole sociological, physical and economic demographic picture. True, if the federal government shuts down - everything will eventually shut down! It will be a domino-effect senario - first the federal government, then state, then county, then local. There will be no preperation - irregardless of what the Doomers say - that will keep everyone's lives from becoming a living hell-on-earth. I just pray it never happens!
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Posted:  12/12/2012 2:43 PM #35556
horselips


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Nature abhors a vacuum. Government never collapses. Some governments collapse, but they are instantly replaced by some other kind or form of government. Even an event as apocalyptic as the fall of the Roman Empire didn't mean the collapse of government. Barbarian 'governments' were already everywhere, and most were huddled under the iron umbrella of the Catholic Church as well. Life went on. The new age was a bit darker than before, but se la vie. Even the Black Death which killed off as much as half the population of the entire solar system didn't bring about the collapse of government. Governments are, for better or worse, resilient, flexible and adaptable. Better yet, they are easily and quickly replaceable.
 
If the U.S. Federal government collapsed, there would be temporary financial panics and complications - especially for retirees, the disabled  and other dependents, and some high-stakes maneuvering over the military assets that were once controlled by the Pentagon, but there are still 50 state governments in place, 3,033 county governments, and thousands more incorporated cities and towns. All with entrenched, functioning bureaucracies, taxation and funding protocols, and all with paramilitary police forces. Even if the national government sinks into the quicksand of history, law and order aren't going away anytime soon. No doubt, regional 'national' or 'federal' arrangements would be quickly made between groups of contiguous states to strengthen what's left of our civilization. The collapse of the U.S.S.R. and its Warsaw Pact allies showed the world that cataclysmic political upheavals, including the mass secession of constituent political entities, can be done with very little inconvenience to the great unwashed.   
 
America is unique among the great powers in that it is still, despite the best efforts of liberals, rather decentralized. To overthrow the government would be practically impossible. Where would you begin? Washington? The 50 state capitals? The 3000+ counties? Would Tennessee care if you overthrew New Hampshire? or Colorado? Would California, New York or Florida submit to a coup in Washington? Hardly. And don't even think about Texas. Just don't mess with Texas. The collapse of the national government is the last thing I really worry about.
 
What is much more likely is that local disturbances - either man-made or natural - bring temporary breakdowns in the orderly delivery of essential services like electric power, organized food and water distribution, medical care, fuel, fire and police protection, etc. It is for those situations that I prepare. Beyond that, it gets a little silly to either prep, or even worry.  


Posted:  12/12/2012 5:00 PM #35558
mtnboomer


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You are correct, of course, in saying that government - in some fashion - would always exist. I didn't intend for my post to make that assumption, I meant for it to imply that a "federal constitutionally organized" government would no longer exist. My mistake. My fear would be that if a national government would dissolve we would be left with an "unorganized" government of state, county and local entities trying frantically to keep some semblance of order. Unorganized in the fact that there would be much infighting - at least in the beginning - as to whom was legitimately in charge. Of course the state government would be the rightful government and the governor the commander-in-chief. But you would have to know there would be those elected county and city officials (possibly backed by law enforcement and/or local militias) who would challenge that authority until order was restored by the governor. It would be this infighting that would cause serious civil uprisings and political damage. Would we have city/county police departments battling militias, or worse yet, the National Guard? Possible, but improbable. Civil disobedience and riots, definitely! More likely would be those power-crazed radicals who envision themselves as saviors or demi-gods who, with the help of some of the more militant anti-government groups, seize power in the more rural areas and try to create their own socialistic utopias by harassing and bullying the local residents. These groups would cause havoc in their respective areas that would likely turn violent when the governor sent in NG troops to restore order. And we won't even get into the disputes between the state governments over laws, trade, boundaries, resources, finances, aid, etc., etc., ad nauseum. My post, as does yours, was to simply state that no matter what happens our lives as U.S. citizens would change drastically from that point on - nothing would ever be the same again.
"I'd love to spit some Beech-Nut in that dude's eyes and shoot 'em with my ol' .45, cuz a country boy can survive!" Hank Williams, Jr.

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