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Posted:  3/31/2006 1:46 AM #3147
superzack64


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Subject: Exotic Shotgun ammo
I have been recently researching exotic shotgun ammo online. There is some pretty cool looking stuff, like the dragons breath which makes a 40ft wall of fire. But the reason I have been looking is because my friend and I stumbled onto a stash of his dad's old 12 bird scare shells. Basically it is like shooting an M 80 (or somthing a little louder) 100 ft into the air and waiting for the report. Well suffice to say that we only have two shells left. And while looking on the internet it seemed that they were way pricey like 9 shells for 40 bucks. Now those ones looked a little nicer than the ones we had. But on one of the forums i read the CTD used to sell these "bird bombs" And i was wondering if they still did, or if they could be in the near future, or if anyone knows a good places to cheaply obtain something like this. Thanks!!
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Posted:  3/31/2006 8:46 AM #3148
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We used to sell them. They were made by Sellier and Bellot. They would make them when they had free time or when they had a big contract for them. Unfortunately with the war in the Middle East they are not making any. There might be an American manufacture making them but I am not sure who.

Posted:  9/13/2006 6:09 PM #3142
demonslaer


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try here they have all types www.deltaforce.com :) :)

Posted:  10/21/2008 10:51 PM #3062
wildmanofwichita


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Subject: Need Some Help!
I just found out that there is more ammo that is suited for my SD "Scatterguns", and CTD does not appear to carry what I am looking for. This info is for 12 gauge, 2-3/4 shotshells.

First, where can I find some #2 shot made of "Titanium Alloy"?

Second, I am confused about the 8 pellet, .32 caliber shells. Is this #000 Buck? I have seen the 8 pellets come in #00 buck too. What is the difference?

ANY helpful info on question #1, and, any help with finding the "correct" 8 pellet-.32 caliber shotshells; please, also advise on who makes the best 8 pellet-.32 caliber shotshells.

I "thought" I had all of my bases covered, but, it was brought to my attention that I am lacking some loads, namely, those mentioned above.

Also, if anybody knows of any other "Vendors" who might carry the inventory for my quest, that info would be appreciated.

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)
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Posted:  10/21/2008 11:02 PM #3063
oldiron_79


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Subject: Re: Need Some Help!
wildmanofwichita- I

Second, I am confused about the 8 pellet, .32 caliber shells. Is this #000 Buck? I have seen the 8 pellets come in #00 buck too. What is the difference?

ANY helpful info on question #1, and, any help with finding the "correct" 8 pellet-.32 caliber shotshells; please, also advise on who makes the best 8 pellet-.32 caliber shotshells.



.32 cal balls= 00 buck

.36 cal balls= 000 buck
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Posted:  10/22/2008 2:04 AM #3064
wildmanofwichita


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Hey oldiron79,

Thanks for the clarification; can you go out on a limb and tell me who makes the best and most dependable ammo in 000 Buck?

Do you know of any manufacturer of #2 shot also?

Is there a "Chart" available that tells in more detailed info about #000 to #12 shot, like how many pellets and their respective calibers are for each category/type shotshell?

Thanks.

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)
"Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"Those That OWN the Country, Ought to Govern It" (John Jay, 1st U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

Posted:  10/22/2008 6:29 AM #3065
Mchgnmike


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Subject: Exotic Shotgun ammo
Hey thanks for reviving this thread because we know carry some exotic shotgun ammunition.

AMM-832 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Rubber Fin Rocket Stabilized 130 Grain ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $23.97

AMM-834 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Bore Thunder Concussion Cartridge Stun ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $29.97

AMM-836 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Pen-Prevent Bean Bag Tail Stabilized ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $29.97

AMM-830 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Hydro Kinetic Impact Marking Bag Short ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $28.97

AMM-831 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Power Punch Ballistic Bean Bag 40 Gram ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $16.97

AMM-833 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Slug Tactical Entry Package of 5
Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Slug Tactical Entry Package of 5. Item Number: AMM-833 Our Price: $19.97 Manufacturer: ALS Technologies Manufacturer Part Number: 525 Grain ...
Our price: $19.97

AMM-835 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Door Breaching Cartridge Frangible ...
Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Door Breaching Cartridge Frangible Copper Tin HP Slug Package of 5. Item Number: AMM-835 Our Price: $28.97 Manufacturer ...
Our price: $28.97

Posted:  10/22/2008 9:54 AM #3066
MartiMcFly


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ADDED LINKS TO ALL THE ITEMS, JUST CLICK THE ITEM # AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO IT.

AMM-832 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Rubber Fin Rocket Stabilized 130 Grain ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $23.97

AMM-834 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Bore Thunder Concussion Cartridge Stun ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $29.97

AMM-836 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Pen-Prevent Bean Bag Tail Stabilized ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $29.97

AMM-830 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Hydro Kinetic Impact Marking Bag Short ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $28.97

AMM-831 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Power Punch Ballistic Bean Bag 40 Gram ...
ALS Technologies has developed a diverse, state-of-the-art line of impact munitions that operates in any standard 12 gauge shotgun or delivery system ...
Our price: $16.97

AMM-833 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Slug Tactical Entry Package of 5
Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Slug Tactical Entry Package of 5. Item Number: AMM-833 Our Price: $19.97 Manufacturer: ALS Technologies Manufacturer Part Number: 525 Grain ...
Our price: $19.97

AMM-835 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Door Breaching Cartridge Frangible ...
Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Door Breaching Cartridge Frangible Copper Tin HP Slug Package of 5. Item Number: AMM-835 Our Price: $28.97 Manufacturer ...
Our price: $28.97
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Posted:  10/22/2008 10:11 AM #3067
wildmanofwichita


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Hey to "Both" MM's,

I see a very nice variety of CTD special ammo, but, is there any place that I can get some #2 shot in "Titanium Alloy"? Does anybody have a "Hyper-Link" that can take me to a site that has the amount and caliber of pellets for each shotshell number? Oldiron79 at least gave me the technical data for the #000 and #00 buck, I just need to fill in the rest. I'll even take the technical specifications for the 3" and the 3-1/2" shotshells too.

There is no such thing as having too much info.............. :lol: :lol:

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)

p.s. What happened to Grant at CTD? Just send me a "PM" to let me know what happened to him, he was a really cool dude and salesman; he will be sorely missed by me.
"Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"Those That OWN the Country, Ought to Govern It" (John Jay, 1st U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

Posted:  10/22/2008 10:21 AM #3068
Mchgnmike


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WMW,

I checked on Titanium Alloy shotgun shot and could not find anything relating to it. I asked around here and we could not understand why anyone would want to make a stong extremely light load for a shotgun shell.

Are you sure you are not thinking of Tungsten Alloy?

Posted:  10/22/2008 3:48 PM #3055
bapa


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wildmanofwichita-Does anybody have a "Hyper-Link" that can take me to a site that has the amount and caliber of pellets for each shotshell number?

the amount of shot (ie number of pellets) depends a great deal on the many variables. 12 ga or 20? 2 3/4", 3" or 3 1/2"? target wad or hunting wad? Regular or magnum wads?

There is a pretty good chart here. Scroll down to the birdshot section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell
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Posted:  10/22/2008 4:32 PM #3059
oldiron_79


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I doubt anyone makes titanium alloy shot as it is very light, and you need something heavy for shot.

I think there is tungsten shot made as non tox duck hunting ammo.
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Posted:  10/22/2008 8:43 PM #3060
wildmanofwichita


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Hey You All,

The Military is using Hornady SST's and #2 "Titanium Alloy" shotshells in their AA-12's. That #2 ammo has got to be somewhere...................it is 12 gauge and 2-3/4 inch shells too. 8) 8)

Shalom and Godspeed
"Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"Those That OWN the Country, Ought to Govern It" (John Jay, 1st U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

Posted:  10/23/2008 5:25 AM #3061
bapa


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Which unit of the military is using that? When I was in, the only thing we ever used was plain old OO buck. The local cops around here use OO buck too. I asked one last night at the halloween parade we had. He told me that they carry the blue box AIM OO Buck Law Enforcement shells.
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Posted:  10/23/2008 9:01 PM #3056
wildmanofwichita


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bapa,

A guy from Blackwater invented the AA-12 and named it the "Hammer", it was tested (2006) using all kinds of various 12 gauge 2-3/4 shells; it is my understanding that it is going to replace the tried and true Mil-Spec Rem 870 shotgun. It is a FA, gas operated shotgun, it can either use the 20 rd drum, or, the 32 round drum; rate of fire is around 300 to 400 rounds per minute, the effective killing range is an astounding 200 yards.

For those that pooh-poohed the idea of "Titanium Alloy" for pellets in a shotshell, I'll remind you that the SR-71 "Blackbird" was made of "Titanium Alloys."

Maybe only SOCOM-SOG is using it; bapa ask you "connection" if the AA-12 has made it in "theater" (Sandbox) yet........... :? :?

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)
"Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"Those That OWN the Country, Ought to Govern It" (John Jay, 1st U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

Posted:  10/24/2008 1:10 PM #3057
MartiMcFly


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wildmanofwichita-bapa,

A guy from Blackwater invented the AA-12 and named it the "Hammer", it was tested (2006) using all kinds of various 12 gauge 2-3/4 shells; it is my understanding that it is going to replace the tried and true Mil-Spec Rem 870 shotgun. It is a FA, gas operated shotgun, it can either use the 20 rd drum, or, the 32 round drum; rate of fire is around 300 to 400 rounds per minute, the effective killing range is an astounding 200 yards.

For those that pooh-poohed the idea of "Titanium Alloy" for pellets in a shotshell, I'll remind you that the SR-71 "Blackbird" was made of "Titanium Alloys."

Maybe only SOCOM-SOG is using it; bapa ask you "connection" if the AA-12 has made it in "theater" (Sandbox) yet........... :? :?

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)


Right its strong and lightweight. I'm just concerned that there wouldn't be enough weight behind that round to make it really effective.
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Posted:  10/24/2008 9:05 PM #3058
bapa


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wildmanofwichita-bapa,

A guy from Blackwater invented the AA-12 and named it the "Hammer", it was tested (2006) using all kinds of various 12 gauge 2-3/4 shells; it is my understanding that it is going to replace the tried and true Mil-Spec Rem 870 shotgun. It is a FA, gas operated shotgun, it can either use the 20 rd drum, or, the 32 round drum; rate of fire is around 300 to 400 rounds per minute, the effective killing range is an astounding 200 yards.

For those that pooh-poohed the idea of "Titanium Alloy" for pellets in a shotshell, I'll remind you that the SR-71 "Blackbird" was made of "Titanium Alloys."

Maybe only SOCOM-SOG is using it; bapa ask you "connection" if the AA-12 has made it in "theater" (Sandbox) yet........... :? :?

Shalom and Godspeed 8) 8)


I've watched lots of videos of the AA-12 in action and it is very impressive. No matter what platform you are launching a 12 ga round from, I believe the only way to get an effective killing range is if you are shooting slugs. No buckshot on earth coming out of a 2 3/4 shell is going to be effective at that distance.

My nephew is over in the sandbox as we speak. I sent him an email asking him to describe what weapons they have access to. I asked him also if they use the AA-12. Sometimes it takes a week or more for him to reply so I'll let you know when I hear from him.
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Posted:  9/18/2009 11:33 AM #18649
SuicideHz


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Wow I just stumbled across this.  How ridiculous. 
 
It seems we have an armchair commando who believes everything he reads and just has to try and pretend to be Military and use what they use. 
 
Titanium alloy?  Give me a break.  You don't need strength and lightweight as qualities in ammunition for personal protection.  You need heavy and soft (malleable). 
 
The AA-12 is a few decades old and not developed by anyone in Blackwater, of course.
 
The Auto Assault-12 (AA-12) was developed in 1972 by Maxwell Atchisson.
 
Use #4 Buckshot.  It has the best hit potential on a human torso at 25yds.  Yes, smaller pellets but when you consider the amount of energy per pellet, it comes out to be more mass per total shot than 00, 000, etc.   You want energy transfer and that is what it will give you.  Better chance of knockdown, more holes, more wound channels, more places to bleed and more chances to hit major nerves and vessels.  Anything smaller though really decreases the energy delivered.


Posted:  12/8/2011 9:47 PM #29250
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I remember years ago seeing (I can't remember where) some exotic 12 gauge rounds called "Strung Buck" or something like that.  It consisted of 2 large buckshot pellets conected by wire.  If I remember correctly, it was used for destroying a ship's rigging.  I can only imagine the devastation it would cause when used against a human target.  There were other types of "eexotic" shotgun rounds as well, but this is the only one I can remember.
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Posted:  12/8/2011 9:48 PM #29251
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I think there were smoke rounds also.  This would have been like late 1980's??
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Posted:  12/14/2011 1:27 PM #29358
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#4 indoors, or to 15 yds, yes. Longer ranges, tho, you want 000 buck, especiall if your 12 ga is chambered for 3" shells. #4 slows down fast, and doesn't penetrate very well at


Posted:  12/14/2011 10:18 PM #29377
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There's a guy at the local gun shows, that's all he sells. 12ga, all types. Detonators, flares, ball and wire, smokes, armor tip. flame thrower.  Very expensive like $5.00 per round, but it's fun to shoot. I shot them all and they do what it says it does. Awesome stuff. No 22lr there.
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Posted:  5/6/2012 3:11 PM #31540
WulfstanNW


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To update this post.
I was looking around Google and came across this post.
It seems most of the 'Exotic' ammo mentioned before now comes through a company called Firequest.
http://www.firequest.com/
 
As to Titanium alloy shot.
Web searching generally agrees that titanium would be almost useless as shot being that it is lighter than steel.
All seem to point to Tungsten alloy 'Hevi-shot'
 
Various 'bird bomb' cartridges bangers, screamers, sparkers are available from
Margo Supplies
http://margosupplies.com/public/american1/scare/pyro_launchers/pyro.htm
These unfortunatly are 15mm tubes that are fired from a flare gun type launcher and activated with a 6mm or 9mm blank.
 
Further looking shows a 12 ga cracker round.  Loud bang at 200' travel
http://margosupplies.com/public/american1/scare/12_gauge_carts.htm
 


Posted:  12/29/2013 3:46 PM #40125
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Hi we sell exotic ammo at www.elitesurvivalgear.net
 
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