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Posted:  11/20/2012 3:55 PM #35234
Total_Prepping


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Subject: The .223 and .308 dilemma
So I am interested in picking up a low cost bolt action rifle with decent range capabilities. But it has to be practical and SHTF ready.
I am looking at a Remington 770 for the .308 rifle
I was thinking a savage Axis for the .223
Here is my dilemma, I own a S&W M&P15 which uses 5.56 so I am thinking, like preppers agree, keep the ammo consistent across firearms. .223/5.56 is a fairly common round and will carry well in a SHTF event.
But I am reading about the range and stopping power of a .223 is not what a .308 can do. I do not anticipate sniping targets 500 yards out, but I am a prepper and we know what anticipation means.  
So now I am really liking .308 which performs well in all benchmarks, but then my ammo is inconsistent, and now I have to stock up on additional .308 ammo which is more expensive. Plus additional load.
 
So since opinions differ without some clarification I will put in the following caveats.
 
It has to be practical and reasonably priced.
It is being bought specifically with SHTF in mind. 
The above means possible "live" targets so keep that in mind. (we will use zombies on record)
Ammo availability is something I am interested in, so I would like to hear about that as well.
 
Thank You, I will keep you posted on the decision. 
 
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Posted:  11/20/2012 9:09 PM #35237
horselips


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For around $350 +/- you can get a very nice Marlin X7VH heavy-barrel varmint rifle, cal. .308, which comes with a very nice adjustable trigger, and for under $150 any of several online retailers will be happy to sell you a 10x-40x or an 8x-32x scope, with illuminated range finding reticle. The scope even comes with rings. Whoopee. That rifle/scope combo will easily deliver MOA performance with quality factory ammo, and sub MOA accuracy with well-crafted handloads. Great performance, reliability, durability, and real value need not cost a lot. What's not to love?!
 
Your S&W M&P15 is all you need in .223. Most quality AR15 rifles will deliver good accuracy with open or red dot sights, and exceptional accuracy with a high powered scope. A bolt action .223 will not add to your real-world capability with that caliber in any way. Save your money.
 


Posted:  11/21/2012 11:55 AM #35257
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Horselips is correct. A .223/5.56 bolt action rifle will not really help in this situation. A good bolt action .308/7.62x51 will be more beneficial at the longer ranges, i.e. better ballistics, not as affected by the wind/weather, and delivering more energy at the 500+/- yard ranges. @import url(http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Forums/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Load.ashx?type=style&file=SyntaxHighlighter.css);

Posted:  11/21/2012 6:49 PM #35261
Total_Prepping


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I am certainly leaning the way of .308 for a bolt action. The ballistics are better, the gun more accurate, and even though the extra ammo is not practical, I think it is a "practical risk" to have enough on hand maybe 500 rounds. I figured with a bolt action I am likely to use less (or not as fast).
Horselips: I will have to look at the Marlin, I did not see that, I was trying to get a younger, cheaper 700 with the 770.
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Posted:  11/21/2012 9:33 PM #35262
horselips


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Dick's Sporting Goods has a "Black Friday" special - a Remington 700 Varmint in your choice of calibers (incl. .308) for just $349. Unbelievable deal. Don't worry about different calibers being practical. That's nonsense. You get the weapons you think you're going to need, PERIOD.


Posted:  12/1/2012 9:12 AM #35384
Sgt0311


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Hello a couple points I wanted to make and a couple options to look at. A bolt rifle 308 will consumption rate is going to be slower by far than the voracious. Ar 15 so having inconsistencys in your ammo is not a problem. Now having five or six rifles all taking different ammo would be. Remeber bolt actions ard about quality not quantity use your high cap mags for suppressing fire. The Marlin is a nice rifle I have a 30-06 in one and its a shooter. I would stay away from the 770 Shooting Times did a budget rifle shoot out and the 770 did not fare well compared to similarly priced rifles. The Ruger American is a good rifle for about 325 on sale. MOA accuracy with box ammo and scoped up only weighs 7 pounds. That mean more weight capacity for ammo. I bope I was helpful. I feel that a light bolt action couples nicely with an ar in shtf type scenario. MOVE LIGHT MOVE FAST STAY ALIVE.

Posted:  12/5/2012 9:34 PM #35474
jetlag


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OK, I seem to be of the same mindset as the others who replied, so besides the .223/5.56 AR15 and the bolt-action .308, I'm just gonna put my 2 cents in: one thing you need to bear in mind if you're on a budget, is that you're probably going to spend more money on ammo in the long run than on your rifles.  I've had this dilemma myself.  As long as your AR15 is chambered for 5.56 you can use milsurp ammo which is far cheaper than .223, which is great since that is your high-volume shooter.  This is another good reason to not bother with a .223 bolt action for this purpose.  On the other hand, most bolt action .308's are not chambered for 7.62 rds, and once again the milsurp 7.62 stuff is cheaper than .308 so you will probably spend more on those 500 rounds of .308 than the inexpensive bolt action cost altogether.  That being said, I have a Rem700 VTR in .308 with a descent Nikon scope, and as a previous person commented I can make every shot count at a good distance while keeping my AR15 for closer encounters.  [and my tactical pump 12 gauge for my last line of defense].  I'm not any kind of expert but hope this helps.

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