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Posted:  6/13/2012 9:50 AM #32099

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Subject: When will the US put an end to killing students?
The boss passed this article on to me written by a Russian writer who wants us to change our laws. Read the article and tell me what you think:

The man suspected of killing three people at a party in Alabama has surrendered to the police. Twenty-two-year-old Desmonte Leonard also injured three more people when he opened fire. The quarrel about a girl could have had a much less tragic end if Leonard had not had a gun handy. This incident is throwing a discredit upon the US gun laws which make firearms easily available to every citizen of the country. 

According to witnesses and one of the victims, the shooting began after a tiff between two groups of guests at a student party at the Auburn University campus turned into a fight.  Desmonte Leonard who participated in the fight opened fire, as a result of which three people were killed on the spot and another three injured. One of the injured people is still in hospital in the critical state. Leonard himself who was in hiding for three days preferred to turn himself in at the end.

Tragedies that regularly shake American cities vividly prove that firearms are often used by the most unstable groups of society, such as teenagers, people with mental disorders and even ex-criminals. Suffice it to remember the massacre arranged by a student of the Virginia Technical Institute who killed 32 people in 2007, or the attempt on the life of Senator Gabrielle Giffords carried out by a psychopath who shot to death 19 participants in the voters’ meeting with the politician. Incidentally, it is noteworthy that Giffords who sustained a severe head wound was traditionally supporting the gun laws.

In spite of the efforts of a large number of human rights activists, lawyers, politicians and public figures, it is not easy to revise the US gun laws. Gun manufacturers who do not want to lose their profits continue to praise the advantages of an easy access to firearms. To prove their point, those in favour of universal firearms ownership, the majority of whom are the Republicans, usually emphasize that the right to carry arms is one of the fundamental rights of the US nation.

On the one hand, this is true. However, the times of colonization and the Civil War are already in the past and today’s society lives according to different laws. Declarations made by the National Rifle Association or the Gun Owners of America to the effect that citizens’ right to self-defence with firearms helps prevent crime do not hold water. Rare occasions when people manage to defend themselves with their own guns are fanned to a vast scale, while nationwide tragedies which occur regularly are deliberately ignored. We should admit that it would be unwise to expect ordinary people to feel justified to use firearms when even police officers find themselves in the focus of scandals, due to the unwarranted use of firearms, with growing frequency.

Speaking about obsolete traditions, it is worth mentioning George  Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watch captain, who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin to death.  While neighbourhood watches only have the right to warn the authorities about suspicious activities, Zimmerman must have imagined himself a deputy sheriff in the Wild West and killed a teenager who only had a mobile phone, a package of sweets and a bottle of cold tea on him. Incidentally, Zimmerman who legally owned a gun, had been arrested for assaulting a police officer in the past.

The uncontrolled activities of US gun manufacturers are threatening the country with diplomatic scandals as well. The Mexican president has repeatedly expressed displeasure with the US gun policy because a considerable part of firearms manufactured in the US happens to get into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. When the market is flooded with firearms anyone can get them, either legally or with the help of underground dealers. Large-scale programmes have been developed with the aim of struggling against illegal gun ownership, for example, street searches which gave rise to charging the New York authorities with racism.  However, practice shows that the interests of Big Business are more important to the US government than the country’s international reputation or its citizens’ safety.

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Posted:  6/13/2012 12:34 PM #32113

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First of all, I would love to know where this writer lives. If he or she has never lived in the US, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. If he or she has lived here, I'm still not surprised.
This article is full of standard talking points straight from the anti-gun playbook. I'll paraphrase Atty. Gen. Eric Holder for my thoughts on this article: "It's almost breathtaking in its inaccuracy." There are so many different things I could say about the putrescence that is present in this article, but I won't engage and I don't have time for them all anyway.
I almost feel sorry for the author, simply for wasting his or her time crafting such a well written article, since it is so wildly inaccurate. The author's mindset when he or she decided to write this article is what I believe set up the entire thing to fail from the beginning. When your end game is to arrive at a specific conclusion, you're likely to only pay attention to the information that supports your theory, and are doomed to fail. Take Dr. Gary Kleck, for example. He admits to the fact that prior to his specific and large scale research, he identified more with the anti-gun crowd, but after his research was completed and processed, he had no choice but to recognize the data completely refuted his previous opinions.

In conclusion, this article is terrible and should not be given any more attention than it's already received.
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Posted:  6/13/2012 1:22 PM #32117

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Nothing any Russian has to say about my Constitutional rights could possibly be of interest to me.

Posted:  6/13/2012 2:34 PM #32120

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   "Nothing any Russian has to say about my Constitutional rights could possibly be of interest to me."
I totally agree. It's kind of like China last week, claiming civil rights violations for our "lax gun laws."
Obama is exactly this much more antigun than Bill Clinton was: ->____________<-
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Posted:  6/14/2012 12:01 PM #32142

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This dillweed seems to ignore real facts.citizens right to self defense with firearms helps prevent crime does not hold water!?!?What!?!? Is that why the more guns being purchased in the last ten years coincidentally mirrors the drop in gun violence and overall crime? We always hear about multiple murders with guns on the National and local news. We rarely ever hear about a citizen preventing a violent crime on the news but it happens every day! We must refute the propaganda put out by the anti gun Nazi's which is false and only advances their agenda of talking points full of lies.

Posted:  6/15/2012 8:54 AM #32171

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I do not agree with this artical either. I would also like to know why nobody ever speaks about the second reason to our second amendment. Not only is it our right to bear arms its also the right to take back our government when they forget its we the people. Nobody ever mentions that.

Posted:  6/15/2012 8:58 AM #32173

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It's really not any of Russia's business anyway...
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Posted:  6/15/2012 9:39 AM #32176
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I know it sucks to have these shootings, taking innocent lives of the young and old. I wish I can turn on the news and never hear about it again. Some thousands a year loose their life, and that is tragic, sad and depressing.
But, let me say it like this, in the most thoughtful, respectful way that I can. And by saying this, I am not taking away the fact that there are Mothers and fathers out there that lost their young one to gun violences.
But...............all the gun violences year after year, decade after decade will never add up to the 1,000,000,000 plus innocent lives lost to some phys co dictator.  Lenin, Marx, Moe, Hitler, Poe Pot, Mussolini , Ill 1 and Ill 2. and any other jackass who follows in there footsteps.
I believe, as long as the American people stays well armed, that  we will never Have a Phys co Dictator here. Maybe one that loves to spend us to death, but not one who will murder it's own people. The very thought of 100,000,00 armed citizens, will put any "want a be" on ice.
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Posted:  1/12/2013 9:34 PM #36001

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Hey luminous this isn't a thread on watches, seriously.

Posted:  1/13/2013 1:13 AM #36002

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Amazing let us not forget the thousands of Americans who have died defending these right too.

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