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Posted:  4/20/2012 9:35 AM #31255
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Subject: Bank Of America to McMillan Rifles: Drop Dead
(www.thetruthaboutguns.com)-by Dan Zimmerman--[UPDATE: In an email late this evening, Ryan McMillan has confirmed the validity of this story.] When the Bank of America was founded back in 1904, no one ever thought that it would one day truly be the Bank of America. As in (partially) government owned. Just like Government Motors, Chrysler, the entire student loan industry and more, the federal government’s insatiable grasping tentacles are woven throughout one of the world’s largest commercial bank and brokerage operations. And as has always been true, if you take the king’s shilling, you’re damned well going to do his bidding. The folks at McMillan found out recently that means some kinds of business are no longer wanted . . .

From McMillan’s Facebook page via reddit:

Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Marlet Manager, Business Banking, Global Commercial Banking came to my office. He scheduled the meeting as an “account analysis” meeting in order to evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them. He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5 years and have become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of accessories.
At this point I interrupted him and asked “Can I possibly save you some time so that you don’t waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my business.”
“That is correct” he says.
I replied “That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our business. You won’t mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know that BofA is not firearms industry friendly?”
“You have to do what you must” he said.
“So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that right?”
Mr Fox confirmed that it was. At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing let for him to say.

I think it is import for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd amendment right to keep and bare arms should know when a business does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don’t agree with a business’ political position I can not in good conscience support them. We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment for our products.
Kelly D. McMillan
Director of Operations
McMillan Group International, LLC
623-582-9635
1638 W Knudsen Dr
Phoenix, Arizona 85027
McMillan Integrity-Global Vision
www.mcmillanusa.com



Posted:  4/20/2012 9:36 AM #31256
Hot_Lips_Banana


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I dropped BofA about 15 years ago. I will never go back.
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Posted:  4/20/2012 1:10 PM #31261
Kull


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As soon as I can I too will be dropping my BOFA card.A politically motivated decision,really? I hope this move blows up in their face. If they're so against guns they should fire all their armed security guards that protect their local branches in my neighborhood.
 


Posted:  4/20/2012 1:15 PM #31263
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excellent point, Kull.
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Posted:  4/20/2012 2:48 PM #31264
Stickman83


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I've seen BofA at every military installation I've been to in the US. I wonder if they will close those branches and not accept military accounts?


Posted:  4/21/2012 11:55 PM #31272
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 BofA stole $1300+ from me before I dropped them ; (
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Posted:  4/22/2012 9:00 AM #31275
Texan Raven


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I have now posted on Facebook that I will be dropping BoA and why I will be dropping them. I also shared the link to the interview.

Posted:  4/24/2012 9:05 AM #31312
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Subject: Interview: Kelly McMillan and Bank of America’s Refusal to Do Business with Firearms Manufacturers
(The Outdoorhub.com)- You may have seen my post about McMillan’s dealings with Bank of America. It seems that B of A found McMillan’s line of work distasteful enough that they stopped doing business with McMillan. To demonstrate what a passionate issue this was, that post about McMillan set a one-day traffic record for Desert Rat Outdoors. A few days after the initial furor, Kelly had this to say, on the McMillan Facebook page:

 

What a wild three days. It seems as though I have either been answering emails or monitoring what is happening here constantly since Thursday afternoon.

 

I want to thank everyone. I have tried to keep up with every comment and reply to every message I have received. I have to admit that at times there were so many remarks coming in that I could not keep up. What I do know is that there is a huge number of people who cherish their 2nd Amendment right and are willing to step in and help fight this battle. I want to say Thank you, from everyone at McMillan’s who’s family depends on us being able to continue doing what we do. Thank you for your support of my right to engage in a legal business that provides the means for not only individuals who just love firearms but also to the soldiers, law enforcement, Border Patrol, Secret Service, FBI and so many people who defend us to do their job. We take pride in the fact that we have served this country continuously since 1975 when we made the first M40A1 stock for the Marines.

 

I know this is not about McMillan. It’s about the possibility of losing our freedom and right to keep and bear arms. If this had happened to any other company I am sure all of you would have been on their web page shouting your allegiance to the cause.

 

And I want to thank you for that.

 

Please don’t wake up tomorrow and forget this. Don’t forget to follow through and let this fade into obscurity as so many “causes” do. I haven’t asked anyone to close any accounts or credit cards. If that is how you fight this war, then great. But even if you don’t, find a way to make sure that every time our 2nd Amendment rights are challenged, you become a soldier and do what you can to make sure we defend our rights.

 

Kelly McMillan

 

I contacted McMillan in hopes that they would share some comments with my readers. I want to thank Kelly for responding immediately and taking the time to answer some questions.

Q: Were you surprised by B of A’s stance, or have you seen enough of the trend to have somewhat expected it?

A: It took us, my wife who is our CFO and handles the banking and was in the meeting, completely by surprise. We have been happy with B of A for 12 years.

Q: This issue seems to have spread quickly, especially via social media. What has the level of support been like? Have you been surprised by that?

A: I had no idea it would blow up like this when I posted the experience on our Facebook. I just wanted our customers to know what was happening. The support has been tremendous. It showed me that people who are Second Amendment advocates are very passionate about there right and will not go quietly into the night, to steal a line from the movie Independence Day. It truly is amazing.

Q: What kind of impact has this had do you think, on the industry, on the public, and on B of A?

A: Anything that polarizes Second Amendment advocates is a good thing. There has not been a lot of response from the industry. I am not sure why, I am sure the other bigger companies have their reasons for not getting involved. As for B o f A, if everyone who has told me they are going to close their accounts does so, it can’t help but at least open their eyes to how volatile this issue is.

Q: Have you heard from B of A since this all went live?

A: No.

Q: Do you see this as an isolated affront to Second Amendment issues, or part of a growing trend?

A: It is not the first time it has happened. I know a friend who opened an online store and went through several merchant services providers before he found one that would process transactions for “weapons”. He was selling combat knives.

Q: I believe there’s more to this than Second Amendment issues – McMillan is thriving and creating/preserving jobs in this economy. It is ludicrous for an institution the size of B of A to turn down the business of a vibrant corporation…

A: I agree. I have no idea what the motivation could be other than exactly what I was told, “because we manufacture firearms”.

Q: You stated on Facebook you are worried about the hubbub dying off and the issue getting forgotten. What can we in the public be doing?

A: I suggest that everyone do whatever it is that they are willing to do to make sure that whatever lesson there is to learn here is learned. Don’t talk about it today and go back to business as usual on Wednesday because it might take some effort. Be “all-in” to use a poker term.

One final note – it seems like Bank of America doesn’t mind guns, in certain situations…

Any views or opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect those of Outdoor Hub. Comments on this article reflect the sole opinions of their writers.

 



Posted:  4/25/2012 10:02 AM #31354
rusty shackleford


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I personally will never do business with BofA again, this isnt the first thing they've done to piss me off, they charged me more overdraft fees than they were supposed to when I had an account a long time ago. Not only that, they refused to let me, and my mother, on seperate occasions, to DEPOSIT money into my fathers account because and I quote "your not on the account". last time I checked deposit meant I was GIVING them money, how this makes sense I dont know.
 
Anyways I just wanted to say I'm with McMillan on this 110%. Down with BofA. Anyone hear about that couple they tried to foreclose on in Florida that didnt have either a mortgage OR loan? they countersued and ended up bankrupting that branch of BofA. and ended up showing up with a sherriff and a repo truck
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Posted:  4/27/2012 3:31 PM #31409
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This thread started awhile ago, but it pertains to this topic:
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Posted:  4/30/2012 9:19 AM #31428
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I thought it was good!
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Posted:  5/6/2012 2:28 PM #31539
BigDukeSix


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I can't help but wonder what's next.  Will they start surveying their customers and closing the accounts of gun owners?  Where will it end?  Down the road will they refuse to do business with Republicans/Democrats/Libertarians, etc?  Left handed people?  So glad that I have nothing to do with BofA!
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